Recognition of an Overseas Engineering Qualification
Employment pathways adviser (speaking English) and Skilled migrant (speaking Pashto) talk through “Recognition of an Overseas Engineering Qualification”. You interpret both ways — English into Pashto, and Pashto into English — one segment at a time, exactly as in the CCL test.
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To plan your next steps in Australia, could you tell me which engineering field you worked in and where you completed your qualification?
Model answer and marking points
د دې لپاره چې په اسټرالیا کې ستاسو راتلونکي ګامونه پلان کړو، راته ویلای شئ چې د انجینرۍ په کومه برخه کې مو کار کړی او خپلې زده کړې مو چېرته بشپړې کړې دي؟
What an examiner checks here:
- Purpose: plan next steps in Australia
- question: which engineering field you worked in
- question: where you completed your qualification
Easy to miss: Keep both questions: the engineering field and where the qualification was completed.
زه په کابل کې د ساختماني انجینرۍ له پوهنځي فارغه شوې یم. پنځلس کاله مې د سړکونو پر پروژو کار کړی، خو دلته په کیمپسي کې لا د خپلې رشتې کار نه لرم.
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I graduated from the Faculty of Civil Engineering in Kabul. I worked on road projects for fifteen years, but here in Campsie I still haven't found work in my field.
What an examiner checks here:
- Graduated from the Faculty of Civil Engineering
- Qualification completed in Kabul
- Fifteen years working on road projects
- Currently in Campsie
- Still no work in her field
Easy to miss: The fifteen years refer to work on road projects, not time spent studying.
Engineers Australia is the relevant assessing authority for engineering qualifications. Have you already had a skills assessment, perhaps when you applied for your visa?
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د انجینرۍ د تحصیلي اسنادو د ارزونې اړونده اداره انجینرز اسټرالیا ده. ایا مخکې مو د خپلو مسلکي وړتیاوو ارزونه کړې ده، ښایي هغه وخت چې د ویزې غوښتنلیک مو سپارلی و؟
What an examiner checks here:
- Engineers Australia is the relevant assessing authority
- Assessment concerns engineering qualifications
- question: whether a skills assessment has already been completed
- Possible timing: when applying for the visa
Easy to miss: The visa application is a possible occasion for an assessment, not confirmation that one occurred.
نه، سلاکار صاحب، زه له خپل مېړه سره د کورنۍ په ویزه راغلې یم او داسې ارزونه مې نه ده کړې. د دې لپاره کوم کاغذونه پکار دي؟
Model answer and marking points
No, sir, I came with my husband on a family visa, and I haven't had that kind of assessment. What documents do I need for it?
What an examiner checks here:
- Addresses the adviser respectfully
- Came with her husband
- Arrived on a family visa
- Has not had a skills assessment
- question: which documents are required
Easy to miss: She arrived on a family visa and has not undergone the assessment.
Start by checking their current assessment requirements. Gather your degree certificate, academic transcript and employment references, and check whether any documents need an English translation.
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لومړی د هغوی د ارزونې اوسني شرایط وګورئ. د خپلې تحصیلي درجې سند، د نمرو تفصیلي پاڼه او د کار تصدیق لیکونه راټول کړئ، او وګورئ چې ایا کوم اسناد انګلیسي ژباړې ته اړتیا لري.
What an examiner checks here:
- First check current assessment requirements
- Gather degree certificate
- Gather academic transcript
- Gather employment references
- Check whether any documents require English translation
Easy to miss: Check which documents need translation; do not say that every document must be translated.
زما د پوهنتون اسناد په دري دي. ژباړه به یې وکړم، خو هغه شرکت چې ما پکې کار کاوه، اوس بند شوی دی. د کار تصدیق به څنګه برابر کړم؟
Model answer and marking points
My university documents are in Dari. I'll have them translated, but the company I worked for has now closed. How can I obtain proof of my employment?
What an examiner checks here:
- University documents are in Dari
- Will arrange their translation
- Former employer's company has now closed
- question: how to obtain proof of employment
Easy to miss: The documents are in Dari, not Pashto.
If your former employer cannot provide a reference, ask the assessing authority what other evidence they accept. Keep project records and existing letters for that discussion.
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که ستاسو پخوانی کارورکوونکی د کار تصدیق لیک نه شي درکولای، د ارزونې له ادارې وپوښتئ چې نور کوم شواهد مني. د همدې خبرو لپاره د پروژو ریکارډونه او هغه لیکونه چې له مخکې یې لرئ، وساتئ.
What an examiner checks here:
- Condition: former employer cannot provide a reference
- Ask the assessing authority about acceptable alternative evidence
- Keep project records
- Keep existing letters for that discussion
Easy to miss: The authority must confirm which alternative evidence it accepts.
د کار ځینې زاړه لیکونه او د پروژو نقشې راسره شته. که ارزونه مې مثبته شي، سمدستي کار موندلی شم، که د تکمیلي کورس اړتیا به هم وي؟
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I have some old employment letters and project drawings. If my assessment is positive, can I find work straight away, or will I also need a bridging course?
What an examiner checks here:
- Has some old employment letters
- Has project drawings
- Condition: assessment is positive
- question: whether work can be found immediately
- question: whether a bridging course will also be needed
Easy to miss: Project drawings are technical plans, and immediate employment is a question, not an expectation stated as fact.
A positive assessment does not guarantee employment. Employers may also consider local experience and technical knowledge. A bridging course could help address specific gaps in your background.
Model answer and marking points
د ارزونې مثبته پایله د کار موندلو ضمانت نه کوي. کارورکوونکي ښایي په اسټرالیا کې کاري تجربې او تخنیکي پوهې ته هم پام وکړي. یو تکمیلي کورس کولای شي ستاسو په مسلکي پوهه او تجربه کې د ځانګړو نیمګړتیاوو په پوره کولو کې مرسته وکړي.
What an examiner checks here:
- Positive assessment does not guarantee employment
- Employers may consider local experience
- Employers may consider technical knowledge
- A bridging course could help address specific gaps
Easy to miss: A bridging course may help; it is not presented as compulsory or as a guarantee of employment.
اوږد کورس اوس راته ګران دی، ځکه په کور کې بوخته یم. په اونۍ کې دوه ورځې وخت لرم. د اسټرالیا د انجینرۍ معیارونو او مسلکي انګلیسي زده کړه راته ډېره پکار ده.
Model answer and marking points
A long course is difficult for me at the moment because I'm busy at home. I'm available two days a week. I really need to learn about Australian engineering standards and improve my professional English.
What an examiner checks here:
- A long course is currently difficult
- Reason: busy at home
- Available two days per week
- Needs to learn Australian engineering standards
- Needs professional English
Easy to miss: In this context, the difficulty is fitting in a long course, and availability is two days per week.
We can explore courses that fit your availability around Campsie. Bring your documents to our next appointment, and we can identify questions for the assessing authority.
Model answer and marking points
موږ کولای شو د کیمپسي په شاوخوا کې داسې کورسونه ولټوو چې ستاسو له وخت سره برابر وي. زموږ بلې لیدنې ته خپل اسناد راوړئ، بیا به په ګډه هغه پوښتنې مشخصې کړو چې د ارزونې له ادارې یې باید وپوښتئ.
What an examiner checks here:
- Explore courses around Campsie
- Courses should fit her availability
- Bring documents to the next appointment
- Jointly identify questions for the assessing authority
Easy to miss: The next appointment is with the adviser, not with the assessing authority.
ښه، بلې لیدنې ته به خپل اسناد او د کار زاړه لیکونه راوړم. لومړی غواړم معلومه کړم چې څه رانه کم دي، بیا به د کورس په اړه پرېکړه وکړم.
Model answer and marking points
All right, I'll bring my documents and old employment letters to our next appointment. First, I want to find out what I'm missing, and then I'll decide about the course.
What an examiner checks here:
- Will bring documents to the next appointment
- Will also bring old employment letters
- First establish what is missing
- Then decide about the course
Easy to miss: She will decide about the course after identifying what is missing; she has not committed to enrolling.
Terms in this dialogue that cost marks
CCL is marked on information transferred. These Australian terms have no direct word in most test languages — get one wrong and the segment's information is gone.
- Skills assessmentدا اصطلاح داسې بیان کړئ: «د مهارتونو ارزیابي - رسمي پروسه چې کس مهارتونه د معیارونو سره پرتله کیږي، ډیری وخت د مهاجرت لپاره». «skills assessment» هم په انګلیسي کارول کیدی شي.
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